This is partially
a reprint/rewrite, since a group member (today) posted today a spam e-mail regarding
wildly inflated claims about Congress' perks and implying that they have free health
care and the best retirement plan ever. This is a common misconception,
stemming , I feel, from our general lack of satisfaction with the Congress of
late. I will also, since this was a Facebook conversation, add responses,
edited for responder privacy. As I said previously, I'm not a huge fan of the
manner in which Congress has functioned recently, but I am a fan of truth when
discussing it. There is great willingness, spurred by the spam e-mail school of
journalism, to invent ridiculous bullshit misinformation, regarding the
institution, so, in the interest of facts, here goes. (Much of this is relevant to today's post, but was written several years ago in discussion with a friend.)
Initial post (mine):
"Here are the facts (not chain emails, not anecdotal
griping) regarding Congressional retirement. I'm not a fan of Congress as of
late, but even they deserve at least a factual accounting of their situation.
·
Myth: Members of Congress can retire and receive
their full salary after serving just a single, two-year term
This is perhaps the longest running, and most incorrect
statement extant regarding Congressional compensation! In fact, a person
elected to Congress for just two terms as a member of the US House of
Representatives is ineligible for any Congressional retirement whatsoever.
We're talking about the difference between $174,000 (current compensation) and
Zip, Zero, Nada! That's some difference!! The minimum amount of service to be
eligible under the retirement system ("vested" is the term usually
used) is 5 years of service.
Congressional pensions, like those of all other federal
employees, are financed through a combination of employee and employer
contributions. All Members pay Social Security payroll taxes equal to 6.2% of
the Social Security taxable wage base ($97,500 in 2007). Members covered by the
federal Employee Retirement System (FERS) also pay an additional 1.3% of full
salary to the Civil Service Retirement and Disability Fund.
Under both CSRS (the pre-1984 plan) and FERS, Members of
Congress are eligible for a pension at age 62 if they have completed at least
five years of service. Members are eligible for a pension at age 50 if they
have completed 20 years of service, or at any age after completing 25 years of
service. The amount of the pension depends on years of service and the average
of the highest three years of salary.
By law, no Member’s retirement annuity
may exceed 80% of his or her final salary. This means that no member of Congress
can ever retire at full salary, even if they serve 40 years in Congress! As of
October 1, 2006, 413 retired Members of Congress were receiving federal
pensions based fully or in part on their congressional service. Of this number,
290 had retired under CSRS and were receiving an average annual pension of
$60,972. A total of 123 Members had retired with service under both CSRS and
FERS or with service under FERS only. Their average annual pension was $35,952
in 2006 (For comparison, this is about the value of my Navy retirement as a
senior enlisted man, and I have free medical on top of that!)
• Congressional retirement in perspective:
To put this into perspective, a three term Congressman who
loses his seat is "vested" and can draw retirement, but only at age
62, at which time his retirement would be 12.5% of his high three salary years.
If you were elected in 2006 at age 36 to the House and were defeated in 2012,
you wait 20 years to draw any retirement benefit, and then it would be 12.5% of
$174,000, or $21,759. Not bad, but...a Navy Commander, (even if he was Supply
Corps or JAG office and had never even gone to sea) retiring at 42 after 20
years would earn a minimum of $50,000 annually and would have been paid over $1
million dollars in retirement by age 62, at which time he also would draw
Social Security.
For example, the pension for a Representative or Senator who
retired in December 2006 at the end of the 109th Congress with a total of 30
years of service years covered under CSRS and 23 years covered under FERS) and
a high-3 salary of $161,800 would be:
$161,800 x .025 x 7 = $28,315 (CSRS) + $161,800 x .017 x 20
= $55,012 (FERS) + $161,800 x .01 x 3 = $ 4,854 (FERS) = total retirement at 62
of $88,181
Comparing again, A Vice Admiral in the navy, at retirement
after 30 years (which, assuming he attended Annapolis at 18 would by 50 years
old) earns in base pay alone, $167,000 annually plus as much as $40,000 in
allowances. If a doctor: add 22k to 36k annually depending on specialty. If a
dentist and (at any rank) agreeing to do 4 years naval service, add $50,000. If
this theoretical admiral would therefore retire, assuming not medical or dental
corps, at 30 years, his immediate retirement would be about $125,000 annually,
plus (practically) free medical for life for him and his spouse, at age 50.
Before the Congressman retires at 62, on 30 years, the admiral will have been
paid over $1.5 million in retirement (not to mention the immensely profitable
private sector jobs retired admirals frequently "earn" in their
former military area of expertise. Even a Captain retiring on 30 years earns
more retirement, longer.
Lest you think this is a military phenomenon, let's look at
a civilian 20 year career: firefighter. The average 20 yr NYFD retiree earns in
retirement just under $100k annually! NYPD is similar. Obviously firefighters,
law enforcement personnel and the military risk their lives while employed, but
this is about retirement compensation, not active duty salary. That's what
hazardous duty supplements are for. By comparison, Congress does well, but not
nearly as well as the lie portrays!
So why this willingness to lie about and castigate Congress
and begrudge them their pay? It may be that we feel that, as public servants,
they should do exactly as we want, and so some persons are probably delighted
with their representation while others are unhappy. It is also an
"us" and "them" mentality, in which we single out Congress
because they are easy to blame, just as many single out the President for
things that are Congress' responsibility. Goodness knows it's easier to blame
others than to assume responsibility for one's own shortcomings and
misfortunes, and both parties do and have done it!
The real scandal is (or perhaps should be) about what we are
willing to pay (or about what Boards of Directors are willing to pay) Business
executives, regardless of performance. This is especially troubling in light of
reality, which is that many of the economic woes we face are due to the
malfeasance of CEOs in the financial sector of American banking and trading. (see housing bubble collapse, 2006-7)
America bitches about what Congressmen earn, yet seem fine with the huge disparity between the average wage earners' pay and that of corporate CEOs. Profits at big U.S. companies broke records in 2011 , and so did pay for CEOs. The head of a typical public company made $9.6 million in 2011, according to an analysis using data from Equilar, an executive pay research firm. Many CEOs have retirement packages and or "Golden parachutes" worth more than $25,000,000.
America bitches about what Congressmen earn, yet seem fine with the huge disparity between the average wage earners' pay and that of corporate CEOs. Profits at big U.S. companies broke records in 2011 , and so did pay for CEOs. The head of a typical public company made $9.6 million in 2011, according to an analysis using data from Equilar, an executive pay research firm. Many CEOs have retirement packages and or "Golden parachutes" worth more than $25,000,000.
In Great Britain, the ratio of CEO compensation to that of
the average worker is 22:1, in Japan - 11:1, in Germany - 12:1, in the United
States - 475:1! Where's the indignation?? (Curiously enough, the two nations
whose CEO to Workers' earnings ratio (excluding the USA) is highest are Mexico
(47:1) and Venezuela (50:1) - good company, huh??
To illustrate this point, I offer the case of John Boehner, once the second most powerful elected man
in America. Boehner came to politics relatively late, since as one of 11
siblings, he had to work his way through college (seven years to graduate).
Elected to Congress in 1990, he would have reached 30 years’ service next year (2020) at age 71. At that age, assuming he had
continued as Speaker of the House, (higher paid than other Representatives, and
deservedly so) he would have drawn a Congressional retirement pension of about
$113,000 annually, less than Lebron James earns just for showing up on the
court for one game! This for the third person in line for the Presidency. There
would be no lump sum payout, no golden parachute. He would be (and is) responsible for his own healthcare costs as well. There is no Congressional
equivalent to TRICARE.
By contrast, consider two executives who "failed"
at their jobs in the private sector:
Robert Nardelli, (Home Depot) - bad performance as CEO,
share prices down significantly, asked to resign, Consequences: $210 million in
cash, $84 million in stock - A quarter of a billion dollars for leaving, having
underperformed!
Tony Hayward (BP) - Deep Water Horizon scandal, much
criticism of Hayward's handling of it. Consequences: Asked to leave with $1.6
million in salary, and $17.6 million golden parachute.
Yet there are those who begrudge an ex-President (arguably
the most taxing and significant job in the world) their taxable pension.,
currently under $200,000 annually, plus allowance for transition staff, etc.
Again, I have been mightily pissed off at Congress and the
President from time to time, but I will never think they are over compensated.
Other individual’s response:
It's not an either/or though. Just because CEOs draw obscene
compensation packages does not mean we can't criticize Congress. For what
Congress has done for their constituencies lately- i.e. either nothing to help,
or promoting policies aimed at at dismantling the middle class- it's debatable
whether many of these reps deserve any compensation on the grounds that they
are not actually doing their jobs- serving the interests of the people who
elected them. Add in the "shadow compensation" that comes with access
to power - yeah I know, it's "anecdotal" and unquantifiable with
existing information- such as perks from lobbyists, leveraging their
congressional positions to obtain high-paying sinecures post-retirement,
Congress persons can do just fine, upon leaving Congress. I applaud you for
attempting to harness facts instead of emotion but I do object to a line of
reasoning that implies Congress isn't so bad compared to corporate excess. They
both suck, but for different reasons.
My Response:
I absolutely never even implied that we shouldn't criticize
Congress. I was addressing the willingness to forward and present blatantly
false information as fact. Believe me retired military, especially senior officers have the same perks
plus better medical, which Congress members must pay for when unelected. When
we lie to abase people we weaken our argument. In Congress' case, they condemn
themselves by their inaction. Why lower ourselves to that level? Your initial comment also stated the
objection that "Medicare isn't an entitlement, I paid for it." Again,
half truth. You paid for some of it! The average male in America will pay about
$61,000 in Medicare taxes, but will receive (average, now) $161,000 in
benefits. It would be difficult to find an investment plan that did as well.
For women the gap is even wider. So, if you only got out what you paid in,
you'd be left far short of what Medicare actually pays, unless of course you
got really ill, in which case you're fucked! Single payer universal health care
in the UK costs less per person and as a percentage of GDP, and no one has to
buy a supplemental medical cost or drug plan. just sayin'.
Other's Response:
No one said "military retirees and retired fire
fighters and policemen suck". I was merely pointing out the false
dichotomy that you implied by the manner in which you stated your argument. You
presented the counter-argument by stating, "The real scandal is...".
No, that's not the real scandal- they are both real scandals! CEO
overcompensation as well as Congressional ineptitude/ malfeasance on the taxpayer's
dime are outrageous in their own right. As I said, I commend you for sorting
out the facts- absolutely essential if we want to wage effective arguments- I
have no quibble with that, at all. But let's also be careful not to engage in
false counter-equivalencies even if that was not your intent.
My Response:
I don't think they are equivalencies. We hire (elect)
Congressmen and women, their salaries are public record, and there are no
golden parachutes, or bonuses for incompetence. No congressman gets to fuck up
and take a million (or several) as a reward for quitting. I'm not talking about
rumor and innuendo, I'm speaking of the public monies involved. No Congressman
got a bonus paid with TARP money. That alas, is not true in the private banking
sector. Not much equivalency here, implied or specified. And, XXXX, the entire
focus of my initial post was on compensation, as (another friend) would say,
you're off topic. You probably didn't see the post which prompted mine.it was
related to compensation, and mentioned Medicare, then citing all the gross
exaggerations I referred to as relates to Congress. Compensation. Period. I
simply pointed out that there are other government employees, both local and
federal who are as well compensated, and in some cases better compensated. I
then proposed that failed CEOs (citing examples again) are a class unto
themselves when it comes to undeserved rewards. I will stand by that position,
since the facts bear me out. It is also worthy of note that, while we may rail
at Congress as a body, not all are incompetent. For a Ted Cruz, there's an
Elizabeth Warren, etc. But one last time - I was writing about compensation. I
did wonder if you lumped all well compensated government retirees in the same
group, which is why I threw the suck factor out there. You lump CEO
overcompensation and Congressional ineptitude /malfeasance as equivalents (or
seem to). Not my position. Compensation, period.
Other's Response:
I also stand by my observation that when you say "the
real scandal is..." you are implying some sort of either/or equivalency. I
would have been silent had you said "perhaps a greater scandal is..."
-which means our disagreement, if it even rises to that level, boils down to
dancing around word meanings and intent. I do understand what you were really
getting at in your post. Hopefully, you also understand what I was trying to
point out. I will shut up now.
At this point we stopped until the next day, when this article was posted:
The gist of the article is the seeming outrage that newly
resigned Illinois congressman Tom Shock might receive his pension in about 30
years, based on his 6 years of service in Congress and that this was some sort
of Congressional "sweetheart deal" , compared to the rest of the workforce.
I responded:
*****, did you miss this sentence? "Still, if there’s a
criminal investigation into Schock’s spending habits and he’s charged it could
potentially strip Schock of his retirement annuity" As of now, he has
resigned. As any employee in civilian business meeting the requirement, he is
"vested." If you were convicted of, say vehicular or DUI manslaughter
and jailed and had 401Ks or IRAs you would still be able to get the income
stream from them, and that's if you committed a felony. Shock may (will, unless
indicted, tried and convicted, I assume you'd still give him due process) get
$18k plus at age 62. There will be no appreciation or return on investment. A
CEO resigning in disgrace might well be paid $1 million to step down. Assuming
29 years of investment return on the $1 mil golden parachute, at a very
conservative rate of return, that CEO will be a multi-millionaire.
I'm not sure what
your point here is. Is it that Shock is a shithead? Undeniably so. Is it that
he should not get due process? Really?
Or is it that you think a Congressional
pension plan is really different from a non-governmental one? It is, and not in
a good way, in that 1: It's not portable, meaning that once vested, you can't
take it with you, two: There is no appreciation, as there would be in a
portable plan. and three: unlike a civilian pension, he could lose it if
charged with a felony, which is not true of most civilian plans.
Here's a
sample of a state (CT) law related to pensions: "Pensions of public officials
and employees can be revoked for conviction of any crime relating to official
duties." This is about the same in 24 states, including Illinois, Shock's
state. Surprisingly, the remaining states have no such law, ergo, for example,
a Washington State teacher convicted as a sex offender continues drawing their
pension! So, it turns out, Shock will possibly be held to a higher standard,
including loss of pension, which in private enterprise would not be so. I have
little problem with this, because he violated a public trust, but he isn't
getting a free ride. Your posting of the article seemed to me to be your
indication that you thought Shock was getting kid glove treatment. That remains
to be seen, and it will be the state of Illinois, most likely which determines
what happens next. As near as I can tell, no private pensioner anywhere in
America is close to as much risk of pension loss as government employees in the
24 states (Illinois among them) with stringent "loss of pension for
conviction" laws. Shock isn't getting a free ride. Hell, if I'm convicted
tomorrow of DUI manslaughter, I would still have full military retirement and
medical for life. (don't worry, ain't gonna happen!)
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